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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://lbnuke.com/2008/03/25/idiot/#comment-17946</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks renaeden. It is worth a lot :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks renaeden. It is worth a lot <img src='http://lbnuke.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: renaeden</title>
		<link>http://lbnuke.com/2008/03/25/idiot/#comment-17942</link>
		<dc:creator>renaeden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read VAB's "hourly billing" as "hourly bullying".

For what it is worth, you are one of the smartest people on the internet I know and have seen. I couldn't have started blogging without you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read VAB&#8217;s &#8220;hourly billing&#8221; as &#8220;hourly bullying&#8221;.</p>
<p>For what it is worth, you are one of the smartest people on the internet I know and have seen. I couldn&#8217;t have started blogging without you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://lbnuke.com/2008/03/25/idiot/#comment-17763</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Cindy. It is hard to get a sense about what to charge because there is such a gigantical range of prices for similar things. One person might charge $150 for a basic website and another might charge $1500 for the same thing. 

I think it is illegal to make a rates guideline because it can be construed as price fixing. People are never allowed to talk about it on freelance lists or websites. Good luck with your business and let me know if you ever figure out how to get paid better!

Thanks for the ideas VAB. Hopefully it will work out with rehab for me to do the business program. I charge hourly for a lot of things, and the extra work on the project was to be billed hourly. Biggest problem with that is keeping track of hours. I find it to be nearly impossible no matter how many different ways I try to do it. 

Thanks sweetie! I love you because you don't think I am an idiot ;)

Thanks to you too unruly. Yes, if only we could combine our superpowers. "Wondergeek powers, activate!" "Form of a codemonkey!" "Shape of a content management system!"  We'd be hanging out in our mansions trying to decide which mac pro to use next.

I like the way you think, spins :) You are right. It would be better all around. I also think it would cause my clients to value my time more if they knew that they would be charged for every "just one more thing". Maybe it would cause me to value my time more too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Cindy. It is hard to get a sense about what to charge because there is such a gigantical range of prices for similar things. One person might charge $150 for a basic website and another might charge $1500 for the same thing. </p>
<p>I think it is illegal to make a rates guideline because it can be construed as price fixing. People are never allowed to talk about it on freelance lists or websites. Good luck with your business and let me know if you ever figure out how to get paid better!</p>
<p>Thanks for the ideas VAB. Hopefully it will work out with rehab for me to do the business program. I charge hourly for a lot of things, and the extra work on the project was to be billed hourly. Biggest problem with that is keeping track of hours. I find it to be nearly impossible no matter how many different ways I try to do it. </p>
<p>Thanks sweetie! I love you because you don&#8217;t think I am an idiot <img src='http://lbnuke.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks to you too unruly. Yes, if only we could combine our superpowers. &#8220;Wondergeek powers, activate!&#8221; &#8220;Form of a codemonkey!&#8221; &#8220;Shape of a content management system!&#8221;  We&#8217;d be hanging out in our mansions trying to decide which mac pro to use next.</p>
<p>I like the way you think, spins <img src='http://lbnuke.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> You are right. It would be better all around. I also think it would cause my clients to value my time more if they knew that they would be charged for every &#8220;just one more thing&#8221;. Maybe it would cause me to value my time more too.</p>
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		<title>By: spinsterwitch</title>
		<link>http://lbnuke.com/2008/03/25/idiot/#comment-17762</link>
		<dc:creator>spinsterwitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not an idiot at all.  Charging money is really, really hard!  Asking for the money you deserve is even harder.  There are no shoulds about it, but here's some good thoughts that a supervisor once shared with me:

"As a therapist, I provide a service which pays for the office and my time.  These are things my client values.  It does no good to devalue your time or your service because by doing so you may no longer be able to offer these things to your client."

This totally applies to your services, as well.  It's a hard thing to internalize, but here's the deal...if you can start being okay with charging more, you can afford to spend more time with clients that you like, and have to do less to make ends meet (thus also helping your mental health).

Whew!  I make that sound easy, don't I....now ask me when I last raised my fees for my therapy practice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not an idiot at all.  Charging money is really, really hard!  Asking for the money you deserve is even harder.  There are no shoulds about it, but here&#8217;s some good thoughts that a supervisor once shared with me:</p>
<p>&#8220;As a therapist, I provide a service which pays for the office and my time.  These are things my client values.  It does no good to devalue your time or your service because by doing so you may no longer be able to offer these things to your client.&#8221;</p>
<p>This totally applies to your services, as well.  It&#8217;s a hard thing to internalize, but here&#8217;s the deal&#8230;if you can start being okay with charging more, you can afford to spend more time with clients that you like, and have to do less to make ends meet (thus also helping your mental health).</p>
<p>Whew!  I make that sound easy, don&#8217;t I&#8230;.now ask me when I last raised my fees for my therapy practice?</p>
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		<title>By: unrulyasides</title>
		<link>http://lbnuke.com/2008/03/25/idiot/#comment-17745</link>
		<dc:creator>unrulyasides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looking at the email sent to me yesterday effortlessly and in seconds telling me how to set up a customized div around an iframe for a website i'm designing, me being pretty much a print designer who feels stupid that i struggle with basic css...

this email explaining something that was complicated to me and made it so simple, that email was sent by an "idiot"?  not.

but in the 2 years i've known you, the $2/hr problem has been continual.  it sucks, cuz you deserve better.  kinda interesting, i wish we could combine my hyper organization and being able to completely spell out all aspects of a job with a client, but being possibly too ocd, and your flexibility and ability to accommodate clients' surprise requests, man, we'd have a winner.

i totally don't want to do any "you should"-ness, just posit that perhaps, given the rut you're in, and have been in, it might be practical to consider drastic changes (consultant, class, charging hourly rather than per project, etc), in order to upset the stasis, get yourself out of the rut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looking at the email sent to me yesterday effortlessly and in seconds telling me how to set up a customized div around an iframe for a website i&#8217;m designing, me being pretty much a print designer who feels stupid that i struggle with basic css&#8230;</p>
<p>this email explaining something that was complicated to me and made it so simple, that email was sent by an &#8220;idiot&#8221;?  not.</p>
<p>but in the 2 years i&#8217;ve known you, the $2/hr problem has been continual.  it sucks, cuz you deserve better.  kinda interesting, i wish we could combine my hyper organization and being able to completely spell out all aspects of a job with a client, but being possibly too ocd, and your flexibility and ability to accommodate clients&#8217; surprise requests, man, we&#8217;d have a winner.</p>
<p>i totally don&#8217;t want to do any &#8220;you should&#8221;-ness, just posit that perhaps, given the rut you&#8217;re in, and have been in, it might be practical to consider drastic changes (consultant, class, charging hourly rather than per project, etc), in order to upset the stasis, get yourself out of the rut.</p>
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		<title>By: Your sweetie</title>
		<link>http://lbnuke.com/2008/03/25/idiot/#comment-17721</link>
		<dc:creator>Your sweetie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are NOT an idiot. You have many positive qualities that do not translate well into charging what you are worth. That is why you are pushing yourself to take this business class with the ultimate goal of getting funding so you can find a partner who WILL charge what you are worth. The fact that you are doing things way beyond your comfort level to still find a way to work for yourself AND get paid for it makes you officially: "not an idiot." 
:)
So there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are NOT an idiot. You have many positive qualities that do not translate well into charging what you are worth. That is why you are pushing yourself to take this business class with the ultimate goal of getting funding so you can find a partner who WILL charge what you are worth. The fact that you are doing things way beyond your comfort level to still find a way to work for yourself AND get paid for it makes you officially: &#8220;not an idiot.&#8221;<br />
 <img src='http://lbnuke.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
So there.</p>
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		<title>By: VAB</title>
		<link>http://lbnuke.com/2008/03/25/idiot/#comment-17720</link>
		<dc:creator>VAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might consider a private business coach. I have one. It's a little pricy (usually at least $200/month) but it totally pays for itself if you can swing the first few months. 

You might also consider switching to hourly billing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might consider a private business coach. I have one. It&#8217;s a little pricy (usually at least $200/month) but it totally pays for itself if you can swing the first few months. </p>
<p>You might also consider switching to hourly billing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Black</title>
		<link>http://lbnuke.com/2008/03/25/idiot/#comment-17717</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm the sister of someone on the spectrum, not on the spectrum myself, but I have the exact same problem with my web construction work. So don't beat up on yourself! Websites always end up being more work than we expect, we end up knowing our clients pretty well, and if we have a conscience and any empathy, we worry about how much all our time will cost them. It's notoriously hard to be a hard-headed businessperson in website construction. We should create a professional groups and hammer out some professional rates guidelines to help all of us be more objective about how much time it takes for all the details of building a website.  Then we could create some templates for estimates, billing, change orders - all those forms and procedures that f-2-f businesses formalized eons ago. I keep thinking that these kinds of formal structures will help me actually make money at my website construction anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the sister of someone on the spectrum, not on the spectrum myself, but I have the exact same problem with my web construction work. So don&#8217;t beat up on yourself! Websites always end up being more work than we expect, we end up knowing our clients pretty well, and if we have a conscience and any empathy, we worry about how much all our time will cost them. It&#8217;s notoriously hard to be a hard-headed businessperson in website construction. We should create a professional groups and hammer out some professional rates guidelines to help all of us be more objective about how much time it takes for all the details of building a website.  Then we could create some templates for estimates, billing, change orders - all those forms and procedures that f-2-f businesses formalized eons ago. I keep thinking that these kinds of formal structures will help me actually make money at my website construction anyway.</p>
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